And about other botanical illustrators
by this time?
I just remember Samuel Salvado.
And Margaret Mee?
By this time, she did not come to Brazil yet.
Dulce: There were those drawers from Manguinhos.
Their works are wonderful.
Manguinhos has magnificent scientific illustrations about insects.
Who have drew them?
There were three or four drawers specialized in insects, not
in plants.
Dulce: Miss Maria Werneck brought me there
because she did a donation of an equipment to draw, called Light Camera. This
is a unique piece, beautiful, golden, with historical value for the scientific
illustration. They showed us the plates of drawing doing in pen-and-pink, extraordinary
works. I was amazed, I have never thought that we had such works in Brazil and
no one knows about it. One of those drawers was Professor Raymundo Honório de
Castro Silva, Miss Maria Werneck's teacher.
What exactly is this Light Camera?
Dulce: It is instrument that we fit on the table where we will work and it illuminate
the drawing we are doing. There is no lamp, it is only mechanical It is a sequence
of lens, one reflects in another which reflects the image on the paper. It has
a beautiful series of lens.
I would like to know what they did with this equipment.
And about the exhibitions?
Dulce: There was one at Casa de Rui Barbosa, organized by Pedro Carauta. Then
at Botanical Garden, FESP. She participated to many exhibitions in Brazil and
abroad like Japan, South Africa, United States, Denmark.
Have you teach drawing?
No, I am completely washout to teach..
Dulce: I do not agree with you.
How could you say that? You have botanical
illustrators that consider they had a great influence of you and your works.
They consider themselves as your followers like Dulce, for instance, Cristina
Miranda, Vânia Aída, Paulo Ormindo, Alexandre Justino...
It is not true, Dulce invented that she was my disciple. I got
a bank to sit in the wood because I could not sit on the ground. I brought my
bank, my drawing material and Dulce followed me.
Dulce: At FEEMA, they did a homage to Miss
Maria Werneck by giving her name to the technical drawing room.
You have had a book published by Salamandra,
haven't you?
Yes, "Watercolors, Endangered Vegetal Species". However, I do
not have any copy. It is not my fault.
Dulce: You were worried about sending the
book to the Botanical Gardens abroad...
There was no interest in sending the book to Botanical Gardens
abroad. I have got 25 copies and sent it to them. I have beautiful letters thanking
me. I sent them at my own expenses.
I drew something wrong because I have not seen the flowers, I did not know its
correct position. When I found out, I felt sick. I wrote a letter to the director
of Botanical Garden of Copenhagen telling him that I drew the plant in a wrong
position and promised sending later the correct drawing. And I did. I started
the correct drawing but I could not finish because no one went to the place
where it grows to bring me the plant. Finally, Paulo Ormindo went and finished
the drawing to me. He did not want to do this.
"-Where have you seen it, someone starts a drawing and another one finishes
it?"
So I answered to him:
"-If no one has never seen it, he will see it now."
So, I sent
I sent it to Botanical Museum of Copenhagen. They sent me a nice letter telling
that it will be hung in Herbarium hall where they also have poster reproductions
of some Albert Eckhout's painting from Pernambuco, dated of l642.
Dulce: It was not your mistake. When you
received the plant, no one explained that it was not like that. The branch was
wilted.
It was Norantea brasiliensis. The branch was ascendant and I
drew it descendant. I can not remember exactly but I think I only corrected
one drawing. I have no memory.
How can you say that you have not memory
if you are speaking for more than half a hour, telling us a lot of things?
But I am not telling the main things. Memory is a curious thing.
I traveled a lot after coming back from Brasilia. While I was there, I have
just done small trips. Long travels I did after coming back to Rio. Some days
ago, a friend of mine who has also traveled a lot visited me and you started
to remember all those travels. She asked:
" - Have you gone to ....?"
and she forgot the name she wanted to ask me, so I said:
" - I see, you want to know if I went to...".
No matter how hard, I have tried, I took two days to remember. She did not think
any more about this and I took two days to remember it was Taj Mahal. Two days
to remember Taj Mahal!
Well, well! Forget Taj Mahal, it is sinful. Such beautiful thing.
Some days ago, someone told about Bariloche. I have gone there but I can not
remember anything, anything at all. If someone tells me it is similar to Anápolis,
I believe. I forgot Bariloche and it is considered very beautiful.
On the other hand, your fabulous trip to
see the icebergs, into to North pole, you did not forget. Tell us a little about
this travel.
It is impossible to forget North pole. We traveled for 12 days.
A friend of mine invited me and she did the itinerary. From London, we went
to Bergen, a small fisher town, in Norway. Then we take a ship specially constructed
to go to North pole. It boards the Norway coast, town by town. There were many
people on board doing studies and were interested in going untilthe parallel
81. So we went and came back. What a beauty. We also went to Pittsbergen, another
wonderful place. This kin of travel, no one can forget.
Now, I regret not have took photos.
Have you visited many other countries?
Yes, many!
I went to places where no one likes to go. For example, Egypt, not all people
like Egypt. Turkey, I can not say I went because I only know the coast. To Japan,
I went alone but I had a friend there.
To Hong Kong, I had the audacity to go alone but during the trip I met two ladies
and stayed with there. They though it was a madness coming alone to Hong Kong
and they invited me to stay with them.
So I stayed with them and it was very agreeable. I saw many things I wanted
to see, alone, while they went shopping. Hong Kong bay is wonderful. To go to
Macao, we take a small ship. It is like the Guanabara bay, in Rio de Janeiro.
This interview was made by:Delfina de Araujo and Dulce Nascimento.
Photos: Delfina de Araujo, Dulce Nascimento and Werneck de Castro
Digital manipulation: Sergio Araujo
Sergio Araujo Fotografia and Brazilian Orchids, as a kind of homage to Miss Maria Werneck de Castro created an exclusive site for her. You can see it at:
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